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Outrage + Optimism is a weekly podcast co-hosted by Christiana Figueres,
Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson

Since launching in April 2019, Outrage + Optimism has become the most widely listened to climate change podcast, with an audience stretching from San Francisco to Sydney. Topping the UK Politics podcast charts twice, it has been selected as the number 10 All-Time Podcasts on the Apple UK Charts, been the number 3 Politics Podcast on Apple Australia Charts and was listed at number 15 of The Guardian Best Podcasts of 2019. Outrage + Optimism was selected as the News & Politics Podcast Honoree in the prestigious 2020 Webby Awards.

Now in its second season, each weekly show highlights how we can channel the outrage we see on the streets (and online) about incremental actions in the face of the climate crisis, toward the stubborn optimism needed to forge ahead with ambition. We believe both are necessary. Each week’s discussion aims to inform, inspire and help listeners realise that this is both the most challenging, but also the most exciting time in history to be alive.

Each episode starts with a round-up of what has made us feel outraged or optimistic in the climate debate, followed by an in-depth interview with our guest for the week. Special guests so far have included David Attenborough, Ellie Goulding, Jane Goodall, Greta Thunberg, Richard Branson, Wanjira Mathai, John Kerry, David Miliband and many more.

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85. The Future of Shipping

This is our third episode of an Outrage + Optimism investigative series on The Future of Transport.

With 2020 barely in the rearview mirror, the pandemic rages on across the globe, new variants bringing concern and unified collective action to the forefront as a rapidly developed vaccine begins being administered as we speed into 2021.

That same resolve needs to be applied to climate change and the sectors in most urgent need of decarbonisation. And this week, we dive into the future of sustainable shipping.

We rarely ever think about the things we buy as being transported by sea, but shipping has been the backbone of global economies for thousands of years and today accounts for 90% of world trade. It is responsible for 2-3% of global emissions which if it were a country, would put it on a par with Germany – the world’s sixth biggest emitter.

The challenge to decarbonise shipping is huge. With around 60,000 vessels currently in operation emissions are expected to be 50% higher in 2050 than in 2018.

So how to turn this ship around? Our hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson speak to scientists, CEOs, politicians and pioneers committed to charting a course to a more sustainable shipping future.

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Listen to the previous episodes of our miniseries here – The Future of Transport

This series is sponsored by NESTE

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Guests this week

Jutta Paulus, MEP, Greens/EFA

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Erik Lewenhaupt, Head of Sustainability, Stena Line

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Jacques Vandermeiren, CEO, Port of Antwerp